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Cakes on the griddle? I love cakes on the griddle. We need to look at the night sky.

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Be prepared to think and feel anything.

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There are no forbidden courage to start not knowing what's out there.

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You already let the dogs out. Let's do it.

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Welcome. Come on. Come all.

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To the wonder pod.

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Today we famously have my brother-in-law, Devin Locke.

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I'm Devin.

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Welcome. Um, welcome to the cabin. Um, please tell us hi and your pronouns if desired, then tell us three things about you.

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Hi. I'm Devin. Devin Locke. Um, my pronouns are he, him. And three things about myself. How do I choose? Just through so many. Yeah, there's so many things.

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Um Wow, you don't you're not even reading from your notes?

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No.

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Wow. Very relaxed.

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I don't take notes. Um I think when I think about myself. A calm comes over me. Yeah, yeah. It's just like I feel at peace. Um, what's that like? Well, one of the things about myself is that I love with a capital L food in such a way that I've and we'll get to this later, we've purchased land with my family to grow food and and eat food. So I'm very passionate about really good food. Um I love to cook, I love to grow food, I love to hunt for food, um, anything involved with food I'm kind of in with. Um and funnily enough, food has driven a lot of decisions in my life. Of like, I mean even big, big things like buying the property and that sort of thing.

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Seriously? I didn't know that was a catalyst at all.

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Yeah, that was like the main catalyst is like trying to I mean I'm not like a fear-mongery or like scared person in general, but like our food system isn't great.

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Yeah.

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And to somehow to do like my part in providing for my very close community.

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Yeah.

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Of of my family, I think.

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And my family?

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Yeah, and your family.

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Oh, it's your family.

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It's my family. Oh got it.

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Yeah, didn't pick up.

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You don't get the bibs on that. Um, I think is is what like kind of gets me going, drives me. Um another thing, and this actually is a diagonal to this, but I have enjoyed for like the past 13 years on YouTube since I was a young boy.

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I knew you were gonna bring this up.

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Watching MRE, like meal ready to eat, review videos. Wow. That feels pretty polar opposite from your focus. Interesting. Yeah, but this is like since I was teens. Yeah. You know, middle school, okay.

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What's the guy's name?

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Steve 1989 MRE Info. Not a plug, not paid sponsorship.

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You're making so much money right now.

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Um But yeah, he he's just been literally doing it for however many years, probably 13 years. Wow. 15 years, and you could watch a video from 15 years ago and a video just put out, and it is identical. Like same format, same format, same little space he does it in. Um it's incredible. The consistency.

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We watched one at his house in Reno when Jake and I were there a few weeks ago.

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Can I what is the appeal of that? Like, what's the interest in that for you?

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I think it's because he is so passionate about it. Like, okay, he'll get like a 1960s, you know, pork like can of pork or something, and he's like shaking as he's opening because he's so excited to like see this. I mean, he's so passionate about it.

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And he eats it and he's excited about it.

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Yeah. Oh, tongue's getting a little uh little um numb. It's it's probably gone a little rancid. You know, and then he's like, he takes another bite right after that. Wow.

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Um and he does the same like um like little comments and explanation.

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Yeah, like he'll go, he'll unpack everything, pull it all out, set it all out, and then once he kind of the you know gets the preview, he goes, let's get to that this out onto a tray. Snap um to the next scene where all of the stuff is out on a tray. He goes, nice. And then he starts like going through. Yeah, it's I don't know what it is. It's like predictable.

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It's like it's not changing.

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Yeah, and he never will. And he and the other thing he'll do is he'll you know, most people like for the YouTube algorithm, like you want to be posting consistently, you know, yeah, every week, every month, whatever that is. That's not him. He will go dark for six months and then post seven hour and a half long like reviews in one day. Just composite.

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Are you serious?

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Yeah, wow, and millions of views. That's wild. Like it is, it's not an abnormal, like people know about it.

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Yeah.

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Wow, I've never heard of this.

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The thing I like about it is that his excitement gets you excited. Yeah, it's not really the content exactly.

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No, like I don't really have any interest in meals ready to eat. Like, I I've had them before, they're not great. Yeah, it's like food that's meant to stay on a shelf for 20 years before you eat it.

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It's like cheese.

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Yeah, like and he he couldn't be more he's like, oh, this is the best, you know, instant coffee. This is the army mochacino, he calls it. It's where he mixes the hot cocoa and the coffee, and he's like, This is just how you have to do it. You know, life doesn't get better than this.

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I wonder how his digestion is. Also, any idea how they preserve the food for that long?

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Uh no, I don't have any idea. But it's like government programs that do it. It's like go, you know, and he'll get like a Georgian ration that's completely different than Georgian. Oh, from the state. Well, the country of Georgia.

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What? Really?

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Oh, yeah. Like it's it's worldwide. Yeah, he's getting North Korea rations somehow. And like you know, Chinese com PLA rations and it's yeah, very interesting. Wow.

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Okay, number three.

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Very chill.

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He's a chiller.

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Yeah. Number three.

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Someone should have taken some notes.

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I a recent obsession of mine. So here's the thing about me. I'm I get in little pockets of obsessions. Some may call that ADHD, maybe, you know, or or somewhat like that. Anyways, but I get like hyper focused on certain things for a varying varying amounts of time. Yeah. My current one of my current obsessions is old garden tractors and restoring them.

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Wow. Like the little ones.

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Yeah, and they do get bigger, bigger. Um, but like riding lawnmowers from the 60s, 70s.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Um, back when it was a real American iron. Then I just actually purchased one for our property.

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah.

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How old?

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I think it's a 1969. Nice. Yeah, it's a Bolan's large frame. What a year means anything. What color is it? Um Patina. Nice. Yeah, it's it's got a pretty cool patina on it. I think it was like an off-white cream to begin with.

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Yeah.

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And I'm kicking around the idea of like full restoration where I repaint it, or just get the running and leave in the case. Well, it's it runs great. Oh, wow. Okay. I mean, it's perfect. But like fixing up all the things to make it modern and and nice and clean, but keeping that old patina. I forget what they call that. Like a restaurant restoration. Yeah, something like that.

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Yeah. So are these like you can put like implements on them?

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Yeah. Okay. So this one's 14 horsepower.

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Okay.

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And it has a front, a middle, and a rear PTO.

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Oh, wow.

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Um, so you can run. They made snowblowers. There's a 52-inch mowing deck that I got with it. And then I have a rotor tiller for the back.

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Wow.

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You can get they make I really want to find one of these, um, but they're ultra rare. They made a um a bucket for it.

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Um Wow, everything. One sort of shop.

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So that would be cool to get the bucket. But they're, yeah, like I said, ultimately rare. They didn't sell a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've all r rusted out. But yeah.

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I think of all the food you can grow with that machine.

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I know. A lot. Incredible. All right. Shall we spin the Wheel of Wonder? I think we shall.

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Devin, have you ever heard of the Wheel of Wonder before?

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I have. As a listener of the podcast. I'm excited.

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What will it reveal?

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It's wonderfully constructed, I will say.

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Oh, thank you.

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Core childhood memory.

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Can we skip that one?

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Yeah, sure.

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Can we do that?

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We're running out of core childhood memory.

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I'm always like, I went climbing on a tree.

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Oh, it's for you guys? Oh, for the description. Core childhood. Big questions.

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Yay! All right, Wolf, hit it.

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Alright. So this is a musical related question.

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And it's like super deep, so we want you to really like space. Yeah, dig deep.

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Okay. So do you relate more to John Denver's thank God I'm a country boy? Or Nellie's country grammar? Ooh.

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Mia's laughing at you.

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I have an embarrassing um revelation that I I never have really listened to Nellie's country grammar. Wow.

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That's so surprising for you.

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I know. It is.

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Because you're you like that that get down.

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Yeah.

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Rap and you do. Hip hap.

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And so it is I I've always heard about it and I've never got around to listening to it. Isn't that wild? Well, we'll have to fix that. The break.

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On the break, yes. I was gonna play it right now.

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In light of that, I would say probably John Denver's Thank God I'm a country boy.

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Really?

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I relate heavy to that.

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Tell us more.

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Whenever that song comes on, I am like doing the bouncing knee slap, you know, like it just gets me going.

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The hoe down going. Yeah.

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I really like the end when it says, Woo! Thank God I'm a country boy.

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Yeah, that feeling. And you kind of get to enter in into a different perspective. I don't feel that way at all. Like the feeling of being a country boy is not something I think about.

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Yeah.

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There are people who that is their personality. Yeah. And so you kind of get to enter in a little bit to that.

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That's interesting that you don't feel that way, because I definitely like you feel to me like you're that way, you know? Like I'm like, you would I feel like right? If you could never wear a shirt and shoes again, you'd probably be pretty happy with that.

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Yeah. I and that is true.

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Interesting. I love that. He was asking that, and I'm like, I don't know. I've I don't know, I feel like Devin always needs to be barefoot to be happy, but I feel like there's a you know, and this is crazy, but I feel like I'm pretty multifaceted.

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Like I'm not real, I've never picked up on that. I'm not just a country boy at heart.

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Like I know, I know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are like little sections of me. Like I yeah, I don't know.

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No, I've seen you on I've seen you in the big city, I've seen you in the biggest little city, which is Reno's slogan. I've seen you on the island of Hawaii Hawai'i.

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Yeah.

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You're happy anywhere.

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There's a lot, yeah. I feel like I can dig into like different aspects of myself in different spaces.

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Yes.

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And so I where I do feel very happy as a country boy. Yeah. Like, I don't know what are the tenets of a country boy.

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You tell us you're the worst. Early in the morning, late in the morning. Yeah, tugging the teeth.

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Yeah. What is one of those uh the lyrics?

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Oh, I don't know. You know it.

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Um like I feel like this is the Bible of the tenants for a country boy.

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Yeah, let's let's uh revisit that.

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I feel like there's an early Tibet, early to Ran. Yeah, something like that. There's a fiddling in the kitchen.

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There's chewing on a piece of straw.

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Uh-huh.

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Which I do love doing.

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There's gratitude for your wife.

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Raising me a family and a working on the farm.

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Yeah.

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There you go. Cakes on the griddle. I love cakes on the griddle. Yeah.

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Well, and I feel like it actually it makes sense that it Right, that it's like you're multifaceted, but like John Denver is like a dude from Pasadena. Right. You know, it's like he uh you know he can relate to that, but it's also like that's not the whole thing, right? That's not his entire persona. Yeah.

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But you like you like rap. I mean young gravy, little little gravy, baby gravy.

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All the gravies like in m many different ways I'm into.

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Well, let's spin the Wheel of Wonder one more time.

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Okay, one more time.

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Okay, Dev, one more hit.

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Minor phobia.

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That was manipulated.

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Great spin.

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Minor phobia. Okay, what comes to mind? What are you scared of?

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Okay.

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The first thing that came Okay, sorry.

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The strings in avocados.

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I haven't experienced that.

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When you cut open an avocado and there's like a string through it. There's like weird. Oh, come on.

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Is this an old avocado?

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I'm not clear on that. But you've never seen that?

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I've never once seen that. I'm not a big avocado.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Well, it's food.

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I know.

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Hard to grow in Idaho, probably.

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Yeah. It's more of a tropical thing.

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Okay, what's yours?

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I was the first thing that was gonna come to mind was snakes as a minor phobia. Yeah. Because uh we were just walking on the trail, my dog and I. They got a country boy.

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Right, right.

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And she's a puppy, she hasn't met a lot of snakes, and this was a rattlesnake. And she was going to like play with it. Yeah. I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

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So cute.

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And then I ran up and I was like looking down at it. It was a little guy. And I realized, you know, I'm not really that scared of it because I'm wearing my crispy boots. Um and it was it was a little guy, I couldn't have bit through it. Like he couldn't have harmed me, probably. But there was like this tin where I I had that little fright of good evolution. Of him hurting him or her, hurting my little puppy.

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Yeah. So it wasn't it wasn't a phobia on your behalf.

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I mean, yeah, but I was a little frightened.

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Sure.

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I got over it quick though.

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I'm looking around your studio to think like, what am I scared of? Anything come to mind for you?

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Um you know, slimy water. Oof. Like I really it's not like a deal breaker, like I don't hate it, but like I really don't like. No, no, no, no, no. Like when you're swimming.

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Oh, like when you're gonna be able to do it.

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Drinking would be a major phobia, I think, of slimy water.

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Another video series I've watched is a speaking of slimy water is a guy, and he's you know doing a great, great service because there's people that have dysphagia and they can't swallow correctly. Especially like thin liquids.

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They have to thicken it up.

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They have to thicken it. And so he's like a salesman for the this thickener thing, and he's showing how to thicken it to certain levels. He's like, Yeah, you just put in ten scoops and it's like Jell O glop. Yeah. It's like and he's like, Yeah, this is how you you know thicken it to level nine. Wow.

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My grandmother, we had to thicken her coffee. Yeah, we had to make it, you know, to swallow.

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Yeah. I've never heard of that. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. Coffee jello.

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So do you want to drink that?

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No. No. No, like chia seeds? I really try to avoid them.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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My dad, my dad would he had a big chia seed face. Oh no.

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That is really surprising, honestly. Not the person I would expect.

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No, it's not. He he does phases with food. So this is kind of an average thing where like when you find something you can eat, you go all in on that one thing. Okay. And then like you concessions really run in the family. And you develop an allergy to it because you go too hard. And then you find the next thing. So he I love hearing her laugh in the other room.

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That's amazing.

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So he had this chia seed phase, and he would put chia seeds in big glasses of water.

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And wow, just straight.

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Straight. And he said that it kept his pipes round.

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Yeah, yeah, I bet it did.

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I bet it did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I had that with like sweet potatoes. I went all in on them, and then I'm like, I can't look at another sweet potato. And it took me a few years before I could eat them again and enjoy them.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah, because when you find the something that you can handle.

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And that you like. Yeah.

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But then you stop liking it. Right. In my experience. I don't know if you guys do that.

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Yeah, I have that sometimes.